xbod
Modérateur section EDH
Minotaure
[Annonce Comité DC - 30/11/2020]
le 30/11/2020 20:25
Bonsoir a tous !

Tous d'abord le lien de l'annonce !!

https://www.facebook.com/1627370617513839/posts/2847214618862760/

Je vous fait un récapitulatif en Français en dessous des informations annexes.

Rules changes:

No changes.

Individual card changes:

Akiri, Line-Slinger is now banned as a commander.
Omnath, Locus of Creation is now banned as a commander.
Thrasios, Triton Hero is now banned as a commander.
Tymna, the Weaver is now banned as a commander.

Jeweled Lotus is now banned.
Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath is now banned.

Other changes:

Announcements schedule change:

Starting this announcement, all Rules / Banned and Restricted announcements from the Duel Commander Rules Committee will happen as follows:
Every two months (this is a change against previous statements)
On the last monday of every odd month (this is a change against previous statements)
Applying immediately (this is a change against previous statements)

Communication media update:

Starting this announcement, all scheduled announcements from the Duel Commander Rules Committee will be published:
With a full text and a complete, detailed explanation on this website (www.mtgdc.info)
With a short version on other media (our Facebook Page and our Discord server)
Minor announcements will still be published on our Facebook Page and our Discord server only.

Don’t forget to check out our Current Lists page for a recap of all the currently banned cards.

These changes apply on December 4, 2020. Of course, you can still contact us on our Facebook Page page and our Discord server. The next announcement will be published on January 25, 2021 (applying immediately).



Changement concernant le format et la fréquence des annonces:

Starting this announcement, all Rules / Banned and Restricted announcements from the Duel Commander Rules Committee will happen as follows:
Every two months (this is a change against previous statements)
On the last monday of every odd month (this is a change against previous statements)
Applying immediately (this is a change against previous statements)



A partir de maintenant (cette annonce) les prochaines annonces seront effectués tous les 2 mois, le lundi de tous les mois impair avec application immédiate.


Starting this announcement, all scheduled announcements from the Duel Commander Rules Committee will be published:
With a full text and a complete, detailed explanation on this website (www.mtgdc.info)
With a short version on other media (our Facebook Page and our Discord server)
Minor announcements will still be published on our Facebook Page and our Discord server only.


A partir de maintenant (cette annonce), toutes les annonces programmé seront publié avec un explicatif complet et détaillé sur notre site (www.mtgdc.info). Une version plus succincte seras publié sur notre page Facebook ainsi que sur notre serveur Discord.
Les annonces plus ponctuels (les Regionals coordinator et présentation des membres je présume) ne seront publié que sur notre page FB et notre Discord.
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Légende
le 30/11/2020 20:29
et Esior c 'est fair je suppose ? :{

Légende
le 30/11/2020 20:30
Ceci dit pour le reste je dis BRAVO , et ENFIN ! Merci le comité , encore un petit effort
akhenaton76
ROUEN, FRANCE
Saprobionte
le 30/11/2020 20:34
Citation :
Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath is now banned.


Juste pour être sur il est donc de facto interdit aussi "as a commander" ?
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
Oui
le 30/11/2020 20:38
Oui
Fevin


SYLVIN
...
le 30/11/2020 20:39
Citation :
Juste pour être sur il est donc de facto interdit aussi "as a commander" ?


Ban inclut aussi "ban as a commander". Uro est donc banni dans le deck et en Command Zone.
meideros
Lyon

Légende
le 30/11/2020 20:42
Bonne banlist cette fois ci même si je trouve ça un peu dommage de ban thrasios alors que je le trouve bien moins oppressant qu avant le ban de Led
Sarek
le 30/11/2020 20:44
Enfin ! Merci :)
Isakami
Lyon Team Trashtalk, France

le 30/11/2020 20:45
+1 meideros

Petite déception côté TNN,

Grosse satisfaction pour Ouro
Fevin


SYLVIN
...
le 30/11/2020 20:46
Citation :
et Esior c 'est fair je suppose ? :{


Probablement pas.

Mais le comité ne banni pas de cartes jour 0. Leovold et Mox amber sont légaux dans le format grace à cette politique. Cette politique n'est pas absolue, le Lotus viens de donner un exemple de power level justifiant un ban très rapide.

A noter le changement de fréquence (3 mois devient 2 mois) nous offre une plus grande réactivité.
Isakami
Lyon Team Trashtalk, France

le 30/11/2020 20:46
( sorry repost )

Citation :
et Esior c 'est fair je suppose ? :{


Je suppose que le comité préfère ban les autres partner afin de "nerf" esior comme akkiri ou Tymna pour lui laissé une chance. Je ne donne pas cher de sa peau a la prochaine banliste.
Sarek
le 30/11/2020 20:49
Le changement de fréquence c'est bien aussi ! Merci x2
Pareil, petite déception pour TNN, mais ça viendra peut-être
Fevin


SYLVIN
...
le 30/11/2020 20:50
Citation :
je trouve ça un peu dommage de ban thrasios alors que je le trouve bien moins oppressant qu avant le ban de Led


Les nouveaux partner rendaient un écrémage des ancien Partner nécessaire pour éviter un metagame trop dominé par Partner.

Les ancien partner était aussi laissés dans le format pour éviter de couper trop de combinaison. Les nouveaux Partner nous permettent aussi de "rattraper le retard" sans couper de combinaison de couleurs.
lablaisaille
modo Rum/MA/Sto


FORCE
le 30/11/2020 20:54
Très bonne nouvelle que cette création de site web pour que les gens aient un lieu auquel se référer, bravo !
Odolwa

DJINN
le 30/11/2020 20:55
Cette annonce est un très très bon début

J'attendais Oko / TNN aussi


Mais c'est déjà très bien pour cette fois


Merci au comité
inspratoo
le 30/11/2020 21:05
Franchement top, les bans qu'il fallait pour redynamiser un peu le format.
+ les nouvelles annonces.
+ le site web.
Chapeau WP !
ZeSword
Bruxelles, Belgique

AVATAR
Néanmoins
le 30/11/2020 21:57
Parce que la demi-vie d'un lien internet, c'est 4 ans, c'est quand même pas mal, pour référencement futur (et aussi pour avoir l'info sans faire 23 clics), d'avoir les explications ici, comme habituellement :

%T Jeweled Lotus

We do not preemptively ban cards without any data, with some very rare exceptions. This is exactly what is Jeweled Lotus would look like: an exception. This card is far too close to the original, almighty Black Lotus. This card is designed for multiplayer where casting this kind of card is a casus belli with all other players. In duel, this drawback does not exist and it unfairly increases the variance of games by allowing the casting of one (or two) commanders far too early in a game. You may expect future cards with a similar magnitude of power level to be banned from Duel Commander as soon as possible.

%1 About Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath and Omnath, Locus of Creation

The existence of aggressive strategies seems essential to us in a sane metagame. Now, the recursion and inevitability of life gain while developing a powerful game plan appears too oppressing against those aggressive strategies. It condemns them to extinction. For those reasons we chose to ban Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath and Omnath, Locus of Creation.

%T Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath

As a commander, it seems to us that Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath allows developing a blue-dominant control-based strategy while overcoming its greatest vulnerability: weakness against aggressive decks. Indeed, the recurrence of the commander when coupled with life gain and an integrated card advantage tool appears to leave us with a commander that’s way too complete. Furthermore, the card itself allows beating aggressive strategies and crushing statu quo situations a flawless way.

Also, the use of Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath with library-searching tools to send it straight to graveyards has been noticed. This means that not only is it a powerful commander, but also a (sometimes even) more powerful card due to its recursion, becoming a second commander, both available in an alternate command zone on one side AND a way too complete and easy-to-cast card on another side. When combined, those two specificities produce something really toxic. As you saw with the stats of this card: it is not only about Duel Commander, and Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath is very trendy in Duel Commander but also demonstrates a stabilized presence in sanctioned formats.

Lastly, we are deeply convinced that Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath makes games way less interesting and tighter, which is against our vision of a sane format and player experience. Looking at some recent statistics, it finally seems that many players understood all those reasons, and the field presence of Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath decks reached a threshold that is enough to draw some attention. For all those reasons, we chose to ban Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath.

%T Omnath, Locus of Creation

We are noticing that the presence of Omnath, Locus of Creation in top finishes increases steadily, just behind Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath. Duel Commander provides a wide range of tools to enable the multiple land plays such decks are looking for. This allows power plays combining tempo advantage, card advantage and constant life gain. It allows decks based on this commander to effectively fight against aggressive decks as well as control decks, using lands which are especially hard to deal with. Omnath, Locus of Creation can handle both sides of the metagame way too easily by itself. Also, it seems that much alike Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath, Omnath, Locus of Creation decks are on the rise, reaching over a threshold of 5% Top X finishers, with a very good transformation rate on the competition scene, somehow taking part in the confirmation that the deck was becoming an obviousness for many players already.

%2 About Akiri, Line-Slinger / Thrasios, Triton Hero / Tymna the Weaver

The partner keyword is an old known worry for many. Nevertheless, it is a very interesting mechanic (Wizards of The Coast commercial studies validated this by making them regularly print them new ones, till this month, reaching a total of 78 of the legendary ones). But it can also be oppressive. In the past, 2 of them were already banned in 2017 (n.b. Vial Smasher the Fierce / Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder are currently banned in Duel Commander).

But even if we thought Akiri, Line-Slinger, Thrasios, Triton Hero and Tymna, the Weaver to be really borderline since 2016 we couldn’t ban them earlier without making some color combinations inaccessible for players, based on partner-keyword commander combinations.

News partner legendary creatures and planeswalkers from Commander Legends partially solve this problem and now is the time to make a change regarding this situation. Some Commander Legends newly printed partners are also debatable as well. But we’ll first need some data to check if the metagame solves them or if they end up being too oppressive, regardless.

%T Thrasios, Triton Hero

Among all the partners that drew attention, if it were only for historical reasons, playability, color choice, and actual stats, Thrasios, Triton Hero would be on top of the list, and always was. When looking at all partner creatures, this one is problematic for many reasons. First, it is an easily recastable creature that comes early into play, and has decent block statistics for its cost (like blocking, let’s say, a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, or a Zurgo Bellstriker, for example). Second, it adds a pair of interesting colors to the game (just take a look at the colors of the other non-partner cards banned in this announcement, for instance...). Third, the history of decks that include Thrasios, Triton Hero is a history of creature-based combos. Which, as you might guess… Benefit from having two more in the command zone, but also benefit from using a commander that is actually a part of a win condition, among others.

For those statistical differences, Thrasios, Triton Hero is the first of those three to be banned in this announcement.

%T Akiri, Line-Slinger

Akiri, Line-Slinger is a different problem. It shares the same analysis that Thrasios, Triton Hero has: strength, mana cost, and colors, regarding the abilities it has. The difference here is that Akiri, Line-Slinger is specific to a very precise archetype, or variety of archetypes. And it does that very well. Too well, actually. Resulting decks are very oppressive, and even though new combinations including creatures like Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist might be strong competitors, Akiri, Line-Slinger, whatever the colors it is paired with (most of the time with Silas Renn, Seeker Adept, to create a deck that fuels on colors which play around artifacts the most, much alike the already-banned Breya, Etherium Shaper would do), remains a very strong threat and clearly doesn’t help with keeping a fair format.

%T Tymna the Weaver

It is quite true that the partner keyword helps a little with card advantage with extra availability. Tymna, the Weaver adds more to that, providing a bleeding extra advantage to any situation where opponents couldn’t handle creatures on the battlefield (which actually happens more often that it seems). The black part of its abilities that basically trades life points for card drawing is quite over the top of many other partners. Despite the fact it doesn’t really look like an actual threat, too much is too much. Which is why, in addition to the other ones, Tymna, the Weaver is now banned as a commander in Duel Commander.

Zombie
repost à l'endroit adéquat
le 30/11/2020 22:09
Eh bah, franchement, ça me parait pas mal.

Akiri était dans les trucs dont je comptais abuser, thrasios était gravement sous estimé. Tymna par contre, je ne l'ai jamais joué, je suis un peu surpris. Omnath et Uro, ça ne pouvait pas durer. Lotus of course.

ça va dans le sens que je voulais, donc à titre personnel, je suis très content !
Tuwa
Briovera, capitale des ruines
:'(
le 30/11/2020 23:38
Je comprends pour Tymna, mais ça flingue mon deck de coeur Tymna/Reyhan qui était plus que fair, et j'ai beau réfléchir je ne vois pas de réel remplaçant possible. Ce sera sans doute Anafenza mais sans enthousiasme.
Fevin


SYLVIN
...
le 30/11/2020 23:42
Citation :
Je comprends pour Tymna, mais ça flingue mon deck de coeur Tymna/Reyhan qui était plus que fair, et j'ai beau réfléchir je ne vois pas de réel remplaçant possible. Ce sera sans doute Anafenza mais sans enthousiasme.


Keleth, familier ŕ la criničre solaire ?

La dynamique est un peu différente (plus aggro) mais ça à l'avantage d'avoir de commandeurs à des castings costs différents et de créer des interactions.
Tuwa
Briovera, capitale des ruines
le 01/12/2020 0:06
Oui c'est à tester Keleth, mais quand j'essaye de me projeter je m'imagine avec mes hatebear habituels en main et Keleth se faire griller la priorité à chaque fois (et puis un cheval c'est pas le même sex appeal que Tymna ha ha). Disons que de loin ça a l'air de faire un aggro plus mou qu'Anafenza, mais ça demande réflexion, sans doute autour de Hardened scales que j'avais fini par mettre de côté.
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