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Combo proposée le 10/05/2002, commentaire de cwamm :

au 1er tour on pose le diamant pour 0 mana puis on le sacrifie, on se défausse alors de sa main qui contient une guivre arrogante. étant donné qu'on a 3 mana de la couleur de son choix (vert) on paye le coût de folie de la guivre défaussée. on se retrouve donc avec une 4/4 piétinement au 1er tour et 6 cartes au cimetière pour un seuil quasi direct, il ne reste plus qu'à jouer bleu pour piocher. et de toute façon une 4/4 piétinement dès le 1er tour ça fait mal

NdZeSword: Une synergie qui a été jouée en Vintage. C'était encore plus fort avant la restriction de Lion's Eye Diamond, cf. les deux listes suivantes (tirées de https://www.mtgassist.com/article/V-101-Understanding-Vintage-and-the-...):

"Bombs over Baghdad", par Adam Bowers (Avril 2003)
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Taïga
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
1 Forest
4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Wild Mongrel
4 Arrogant Wurm
3 Anger
2 Wonder
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Diamond
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
3 Oath of Scholars
3 Roar of the Wurm
3 Fiery Temper
2 Violent Eruption
3 Obsessive Search
1 Frantic Search
1 Windfall
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister

"Stoopid Madness", par Ben Kowal (Mars 2003)
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Taïga
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
1 Forest
4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Wild Mongrel
4 Arrogant Wurm
2 Anger
2 Wonder
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
3 Oath of Scholars
2 Roar of the Wurm
3 Fiery Temper
2 Violent Eruption
2 Obsessive Search
1 Frantic Search
1 Windfall
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Timetwister
1 Time Walk

C'est une synergie peu intuitive (on a l'habitude que les capacités déclenchées se résolvent avant l'effet, mais ici c'est une capacité de mana --- même si on ne peut l'activer qu'à un moment où on pourrait lancer un éphémère), donc la capacité de mana du Lion's Eye Diamond permet bien de payer le coût de folie!

Q: Can Lion's Eye Diamond be used to pay a madness cost?

A: Yes, it can. You can activate Lion's Eye Diamond, discard your hand and get 3 mana of any color. If you discarded any cards with madness, like an Arrogant Wurm, madness triggers and goes to the stack, but you get the mana right away, like with any mana ability, so you have the mana available when the madness ability allows you to play the card.


Aujourd'hui avec la restriction de Lion's Eye Diamond en vintage, la synergie n'est guère plus efficace qu'en legacy, mais la dernière fois qu'on jouait madness en Legacy, c'était à base de Survival of the Fittest + Vengevine. Cette synergie est rapidement discutée, en plus d'autres utilisations récentes mieux expliquées de Lion's Eye Diamond, dans l'article suivant (qui n'est plus sur le site de wizards) :

Sam Stoddard a écrit :
The card I am showing you today is both iconic and powerful, as well as a long-term staple for both Vintage and Legacy decks. It didn't start out its life intending to be that card, though—it was almost a joke. A card so bad, it was laughable. Something with so little use and function that people would need to build insane decks around it just to try and get anything out of the card. The card grew out of that awkward phase, though, and has become one of the hottest cards in our eternal formats.

You hear stories of the early days of Magic, mocking cards like Necropotence or Dream Halls, because the public just didn't get how strong they were when they were released. Lion's Eye Diamond is a fascinating card because, unlike many of the strongest cards we have produced over the years, it wasn't that people missed LED's power, it was that it was legitimately bad when it was released. There really wasn't anything broken to do with it.

The first time that Lion's Eye Diamond became a powerful tournament card was in the Broken Jar decks in Standard and Extended that took advantage of the mana the card provided, along with Memory Jar and Yawgmoth's Will. Here is an example of the deck from Grand Prix Vienna:

Grand Prix Vienna Example a écrit :
Sorcery (6)
4 Tinker 2 Yawgmoth's Will
Instant (13)
4 Brainstorm 4 Dark Ritual 1 Mystical Tutor 4 Vampiric Tutor
Artifact (24)
4 Defense Grid 4 Lion's Eye Diamond 4 Lotus Petal 4 Mana Vault 4 Memory Jar 4 Mox Diamond
Enchantment (1)
1 Megrim
Land (16)
3 Ancient Tomb 4 City of Brass 2 Gemstone Mine 3 Underground River 4 Underground Sea


Unsurprisingly, this deck quickly found itself on the business end of the ban-hammer. Shortly afterwards, it showed up once again because of a rules change. You see, under its original rules, Lion's Eye Diamond could never cast a spell from your hand. You needed to have all of your mana in your pool before you could cast a spell. When Sixth Edition rules were introduced, you were allowed to announce your spell and then generate the mana for it. This had a weird loophole where you could announce a spell and then use Lion's Eye Diamond mana to pay for it.

What do you think of this turn one?

1. Lion's Eye Diamond
2. Lion's Eye Diamond
3. Announce Yawgmoth's Bargain—sacrifice both LEDs

If your opponent didn't have an answer for this, then that was probably the game right there. And this was just an Extended deck—you can just imagine the havoc you could wreak in Vintage with the card. It wasn't long before LED got errata that returned it to its original functionality. After that change, Lion's Eye Diamond once again retreated back to the realm of interesting but hard-to-use combo cards until a new mechanic was introduced in Scourge—storm.

(Magic) The Gathering Storm

I think that, for many Magic players, storm is synonymous with combo—and for good reason. As far as mechanics go, it is about as friendly to a combo deck as possible, and it has dominated the archetype since its introduction in 2003.

What was so special about storm and why did it have such an impact on Lion's Eye Diamond? Well, before, combo decks had been mostly focused on casting two or three spells that worked in concert to generate an infinite loop, or at least a large enough effect that it would kill your opponent. Think Pandemonium/Phyrexian Dreadnought, Donate/Illusions of Grandeur, or Enduring Renewal/Ornithopter/Goblin Bombardment. Many of these decks could be fast but were generally clunky—the level of disruption we are used to today just didn't exist then. If you weren't countering these combo pieces, or hitting them with a Hymn, you weren't doing a lot to try and stop them.

Storm provided two cards that allowed for near-guaranteed wins if you could just cast a few spells before them—Mind's Desire and Tendrils of Agony. Because of that, you could focus your deck heavily on casting as many spells as possible, then finding the one spell you needed. These decks tended to rely heavily on tutors, and only needed to cast one spell—which worked well with Lion's Eye Diamond, since you could sacrifice the LED in response to casting the tutor to get the mana to be able to cast your spell.

The most famous early version of this deck was pioneered by Mike Long and really shook up the Vintage community:

Mike Long's Burning Desire a écrit :
Sorcery (14)
1 Windfall 1 Tinker 4 Burning Wish 4 Duress 1 Time Walk 1 Timetwister 1 Wheel of Fortune 1 Demonic Tutor
Instant (12)
3 Brainstorm 4 Dark Ritual 1 Abeyance 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Demonic Consultation
Artifact (20)
1 Memory Jar 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Black Lotus 1 Sol Ring 1 Mana Vault 1 Mana Crypt 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mox Diamond 4 Lion's Eye Diamond 4 Chromatic Sphere
Enchantment (2)
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain 1 Necropotence
Land (12)
1 Tolarian Academy 4 Polluted Delta 3 Underground Sea 4 Gemstone Mine

Sideboard (15)
1 Mind's Desire 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Balance 1 Mind Twist 1 Recoup 1 Tendrils of Agony 1 Obliterate 1 Vindicate 4 Stifle 3 Phyrexian Negator


If you notice, the deck has no win conditions in its main deck. Instead, it is dead-set on generating mana, refilling its hand, and getting enough spells to eventually cast a lethal Tendrils of Agony. One popular use of the card was to cast Burning Wish, then crack an LED. You get a Yawgmoth's Will from your sideboard and cast it, and you can then cast the LED again, as well as any rituals in your graveyard, to either use a tutor effect, or just cast a draw-7 and refill your hand.

Over time, several of the cards in this deck were banned or restricted in Vintage (like Burning Wish), but the printing of Infernal Tutor has kept the deck as a top-tier player, where Lion's Eye Diamond's downside turns the card into another copy of Demonic Tutor.

This deck helps to illustrate the difficulties with having non-rotating formats, as a lot of the work you put into balancing cards adds constraints for the future. If we didn't have Standard as a format, and everyone only played Vintage or Legacy, we would probably have had to ban LED at some point, because it would have constrained what we could've done for future cards—or just pushed the power level of the format too high to let new sets make meaningful impacts on the format without requiring massive power creep. One of the cool things about Vintage and Legacy is they are formats where we allow for a lot larger card power swings than we do in Standard. It's great that these formats help to highlight Magic's past and how it combines with Magic's present.

LED's Legacy Returns

Eventually, though, Lion's Eye Diamond was restricted in Vintage. While it continues to make an impact, it's much harder to build decks around. That honor has now moved to Legacy. In Legacy, LED remained unrestricted, but the deck lacked many of the restricted draw-7 effects in Vintage, as well as the artifact mana that helped the deck generate so much mana so quickly.

Bryant Cook's Ad Nauseam Tendrils a écrit :
Sorcery (22)
4 Rite of Flame 4 Ponder 4 Burning Wish 4 Infernal Tutor 4 Duress 1 Empty the Warrens 1 Tendrils of Agony
Instant (13)
4 Dark Ritual 4 Brainstorm 3 Orim's Chant 1 Silence 1 Ad Nauseam
Artifact (12)
4 Chrome Mox 4 Lotus Petal 4 Lion's Eye Diamond
Land (13)
4 Gemstone Mine 2 City of Brass 2 Scalding Tarn 1 Bloodstained Mire 2 Underground Sea 1 Volcanic Island 1 Polluted Delta

Sideboard (15)
1 Empty the Warrens 1 Tendrils of Agony 3 Pyroblast 2 Echoing Truth 1 Eye of Nowhere 1 Wipe Away 1 Krosan Grip 1 Grapeshot 1 Ill-Gotten Gains 1 Diminishing Returns 1 Thoughtseize 1 Shattering Spree


The key turning point for LED in storm decks for Legacy was getting Ad Nauseam in Shards of Alara. It made up for the lack of draw-7s, and casting it would give the Tendrils deck the ability to draw more than enough cards to get its combo off. The power of this deck led to Mystical Tutor being banned shortly before this Grand Prix, but the fact that the deck was able to Top 8 without that card's help shows just how powerful the deck was.

Discarding for Fun and Profit

Over time, as the game has progressed, and more and more cards have become available, new cards have been printed that interact favorably with LED's discard. And we're not talking "turn-one LED into Arrogant Wurm double Rootwalla" stuff, we're talking huge combos. When Faithless Looting was printed in Dark Ascension, it was obvious that it could fit into Legacy Dredge as another Careful Study type of effect, but the real power of the card was quickly realized when the decks began including Lion's Eye Diamond. All of a sudden, Dredge was capable of turn-one or two kills by discarding dredge cards with LED and using the mana to fuel a flashed back Faithless Looting, getting Narcomoebas and Bridges from Below, and flashing back Dread Return to reanimate a Flame-Kin Zealot or Griselbrand.

Legacy Dredge by Drew Tunison a écrit :
Creature (21)
1 Flame-Kin Zealot 4 Narcomoeba 4 Golgari Grave-Troll 4 Stinkweed Imp 3 Golgari Thug 3 Ichorid 2 Griselbrand
Sorcery (19)
4 Faithless Looting 4 Careful Study 4 Cabal Therapy 4 Breakthrough 3 Dread Return
Artifact (4)
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
Enchantment (4)
4 Bridge from Below
Land (12)
4 City of Brass 4 Cephalid Coliseum 4 Gemstone Mine

Sideboard (15)
4 Leyline of the Void 2 Chain of Vapor 2 Nature's Claim 1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite 1 Darkblast 1 Ancestor's Chosen 4 Gitaxian Probe


While the deck was certainly capable of doing turn-one or turn-two kills before the addition of LED and Faithless Looting, the cards definitely improved the explosiveness of the deck, even though it did cost some amount of resilience.

I don't know what the future holds for Lion's Eye Diamond, but it looks pretty bright. I look forward to the day when yet another Legacy or Vintage deck can come out of the card, and maybe even find a new way to use it.

A Word on Vintage Masters's Set Size

I've heard some questions on social media about the size of Vintage Masters. While Vintage Masters has the standard number of commons and uncommons, there are more total rare and mythic rare cards than a typical large set often has. I asked Vintage Masters's lead developer Ian Duke for some more information. Here's what he had to say:

"Vintage Masters contains many rare and mythic rare cards that are staples of Constructed Vintage play, but a number of these don't play well in Limited. During the design process, R&D identified a need for more rare and mythic rare cards that are fun and exciting in Limited play. We found that unique, build-around rares were a guiding force in our playtests, and including more of these in the set contributed greatly to the variety and depth of game play. By increasing the number of different rare and mythic rare cards in the set, we were able to create a deep, enjoyable Limited environment without sacrificing the cards that are important for Constructed play. Vintage Masters was developed and balanced with this larger set size in mind."

Thanks, Ian! Next week, I have another preview article, this time for a set that is near and dear to my heart—one of the first sets I worked on when I started at Wizards of the Coast—Conspiracy. I look forward to all of you seeing some of the amazingness we have in the set.

Until next week,
Sam

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SliverQueen
Grand nord

Légende
le 21/09/2004 12:31
amusant parce que le mana concorde mais dis-toi que messe noire + negateur ca faisait 5/5 piet 1er tour =)
SliverQueen
Grand nord

Légende
le 21/09/2004 12:31
chromophore rules
velovert
Soldat
le 21/09/2004 12:31
alleluia,
mouaif.
ainsi soit-il.

velo vert
zanza
Think to think, I prefer sleep...

Sorcier
le 21/09/2004 12:31
pas mauvais..
FlagerRk
Bruxelles, Belgique

le 21/09/2004 12:31
Ouip faut avoir minimum 2 agame en + dans ta main car avec 2 mana ...on gere vite fait la guivre.(édit, explosion eatherique,...)
Lordarkan
Chaville (92), France
le 21/09/2004 12:31
Plus de main c'est tres chaud mais c'est tres fun .........vive le risque
Greuuuuuh
France
Elfe
le 21/09/2004 12:31
Ouais mais bon les anti betes manque pas ...
C'est trop risque d'enlever sa main. Fo rajuoter 4 agams pelerins ds la combo
lol
littlevince
bordeaux, france
Zombie
le 21/09/2004 12:31
ca peut etre dangereux de se defausser de sa main

Légende
le 21/09/2004 12:31
mouais... pas mal ça peut fun ausi de se defausser de sa main (voir les incarnations de judgement...)
Poponovitch
vous ne connaissez pas, Belgique
Ondin
le 21/09/2004 12:31
c'est drôle
anonyme
le 21/09/2004 12:31
Sur Plaine + Swords to Plowshare, tu remballes pas un peu ta mère ?
A non, tu t'es pris Mind Twist + Gueddon que pour ta face !

Une belle combo pour ton adversaire !
KingSILVER
6 mana leak

le 21/09/2004 12:31
et l'autre te fair retour au pay au tour 1 et ta pluys de main.bof
KingSILVER
6 mana leak

le 21/09/2004 12:31
et messnoir + horreur cache aussi te fais une 4/4 au tour 1.bof
Gregharing

Guivre
le 21/09/2004 12:31
Moi j'ai envie de lui mettre 8 parce que ca fait 6 ans que j'ai cette carte dans mon classeur et j'ai jamais réussi a en faire une combo pôtable
Escouflenfer
Mulhouse, Alsace
le 21/09/2004 12:31
C'est top mais y'a aussi messe noire +horreur caché +agame pelerin mais bon:8/10.
Lynx
un coin paumé..., France
le 21/09/2004 12:31
au 1er tour on posse le diamant pour 0 mana puis on le sacrifie, on se deffausse alors de sa main qui contient une guivre arrogante. etant donné qu'on a 3 mana de la couleur de son choix (vert)on paye le cout de folie de la guivre deffaussé. on se retrouve donc avec une 4/4 pietinement au 1er tour et 6 cartes au cimetiere pour un seuil quasi direct, y reste plus qu'a jouer bleu pour piocher.et de toute facon une 4/4 trample des le 1er tour ca fait mal
anonyme
le 21/09/2004 12:31
ca marche pas,car tu te defausse de ta main pour avoir 3 manas, donc lorsque tu les obtient, ta main est deja defaussée, c'est trop tard.
Marhce po, sinon, c'etait pas mal vu.
yyy
Légende
le 21/09/2004 12:31
anonyme, tu connais la folie? Sinon, a défaut d'être très efficace s'il n'y a que ca comme carte avec folie, ca reste original (ca devient une qualité énorme) et marrant.
jeffultime
france
le 21/09/2004 12:31
non, ça marche la folie remplace la défausse de la carte et le gain de mana est immédiat, lors de la résolution du diamant
SaigneurBelial
roche sur yon 85 - vannes 56, france
Soldat
le 21/09/2004 12:31
ba, c quand meme un peu pourri.
si qq'1 un jour me fais çà, je jubilerai !
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