shai
proposal
le 22/01/2009 15:37
Salut,

Connaissez vous un site ou l'on peut voir la carte Proposal ? (d'aprés le légende, on s'en sert pour demander son adversaire en mariage)
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Légende
Librarities
le 22/01/2009 16:09
snipi

Légende
le 22/01/2009 16:40
Ezequiel54

le 22/01/2009 17:13
Yeah,

je ne connaissais même pas cette carte.

Après le ,
et le ,
voici le .

à quand le
et le ???
Samasouky
Légende
le 22/01/2009 18:15
Le BBBB je suis pas pressé de le voir vu la raison qui pourrait causer sa création

Légende
le 22/01/2009 18:33
lool
sheep

Légende
fake
le 22/01/2009 20:46
Citation :
Après le ,
et le ,
voici le .


Oui sauf que Proposal est la 1ère des trois.

Et au passage, le proposal linké plus haut est un fake. Cette illustration est notamment utilisée sur MWS, mais ce n'est pas la vraie.

Proposal n'existe qu'en 9 exemplaires et on ne connait pas son illustration, Garfield refusant toujours que des scans soient diffusés.
Ezequiel54

le 22/01/2009 20:49
OK, je comprend mieu.

Ca devais être sympa en guise d'alliance^^
snipi

Légende
sheep
le 22/01/2009 21:02
si tu ne l'a jamais vu , comment sais tu que c'est un fake? garfield te l'a dit?
smc

hmmm
le 22/01/2009 21:18
il est admis que cette illustration est un fake.
Quinton Hoover s'est fait voler son exemplaire, mais étrangement, il n'est jamais ressorti quelque part dans le monde ou sur le net
sheep

Légende
le 22/01/2009 21:27
Je m'intéresse assez au sujet pour savoir que c'est un fake. C'est de notoriété publique parmi les collectionneurs de Magic.

D'autre part, si il n'existe pas de scans de proposal, il en existe tout de même des descriptions, notamment de la part de Quinton Hoover et de Dave Howell (qui a été chargé par Garfield de créer la carte et qui en possède une lui-même).

Dave Howell a lui même confirmé que cette carte est un fake.
sib51
MONTBELIARD, France
L'histoire de Proposal
le 22/01/2009 21:44
Pour ceux qui lise l'anglais, voila l'histoire de proposal, par son "papa" ;-))

Et sinon oui: le lien est un fake, je certifie.
La vraie illustration (enfin les 2 variations plus exactement) sont interdite de publication "publique" mais il est possible de la voir (et non pas l'avoir) en passant par certaine personne ;-))


Proposal
Yes, it's true: the inventor of Magic: the Gathering proposed to his wife by playing a special card during a game of Magic. That card was, obviously, “Proposal”. Hard information about this card remains elusive even though most of the story's been published in various sources. I have so far been unable to run down the original posting I made about the card and the event, but here's a summary long after the fact.
Genesis
When Magic: the Gathering first came out, Richard Garfield was teaching mathematics at Whitman College in Walla Walla. One day, sometime in October of 1993 I believe, I got a call from him.
“Can you make one Magic card?” he asked.
“I don't think Carta Mundi can easily fire up the room-sized Heidelberg presses for a single card. Even if we ran just one sheet, what would we do with the other 120? What do you want to do?” I replied.
Well, what he wanted to do was propose marriage to his girlfriend. He'd asked Lily (the girlfriend, now the wife) who her favorite Magic artist was, and she'd picked Quinton Hoover. Richard had already checked with Quinton; he was quite willing to create a special piece of artwork for the card. The question was, could I (the production manager at Wizards of the Coast) make the actual card for Richard to put in his deck? “No problem. I can create the card with the actual frame and symbols and stuff, have an Iris print made, and bond that to the face of a regular Magic card. It should look nearly identical to a production card.”
Richard was planning on heading back East for Thanksgiving. That's when he wanted to have the card. I got the artwork in the mail about a week before, scanned it, dropped it into place with the frame, symbols (casting cost is four white mana), and text, and had one sheet of images made. I made 9, not 1, since I could fit nine on one 8.5x11 sheet, and that was the smallest size I could have printed anyway, and I wanted some spare copies in case I screwed up.
There are actually two different variants, by the way. The picture (which Richard and Lily have asked not be published, which is why you don't see it here) shows Richard (looking very gallant) proposing to Lily on bended knee. I tinkered with the artwork a bit. I believe four of them have the artwork just inside the frame like all magic cards. With the other five, Richard's knee is actually resting on the bevelled frame itself.
I sprayed the sheet with glue, and carefully dropped some land cards into place. One of them was a bit too high, and one a bit too low, so two of the nine cards were off-center. The other seven came out much better. They're a bit shinier than regular Magic cards, but otherwise extremely authentic looking.
I finished this just a day or so before Richard was headed back for the holidays. He had to go through Sea-Tac Airport on his way, so at some dreadfully early hour of the morning, I met him there and handed over the cards.
According to what he told me later, he just put one in the deck he was playing. It was all white, because how else was he going to cast a WWWW spell before he won or lost the game? Unfortunately, the first three games he played, he didn't draw the card. The fourth game, he did get it in hand, but didn't have the mana yet to cast it, and was losing.
Lily had done plenty of playtesting of Magic, as well as had played it after it was released, and she asked Richard if he wanted to concede this game. “We both know there's no white card you could pull that will let you win.” But, no, he wanted to play the game out, oddly enough.
Revelations
What happened afterward to Richard and Lily is obvious, and well known. But what happened to the cards? My understanding is that the shared deck created by the casting of Proposal is still intact. All the other copies of Proposal were given to family members, except for two. One of them was given to Quinton, and one was given to me. (Mine, by the way, is a Variation 1 artwork card. Quinton told me that his was a Variation 2, with Richard's knee kneeling on the frame.)
Regrettably, somebody stole Quinton's copy during a tour in Japan. Its whereabouts are currently unknown. This happened after I left Wizards, and I destroyed the original files after making Richard's cards, but I understand that Richard arranged for a replacement (I believe a replica) for Quinton. Mine is locked in a safe. I didn't used to keep it in a safe, but then somebody made me an offer to buy it. While I chose not to part with it, I also learned what it's worth to somebody else. While Proposal isn't the rarest Magic card, I can safely say it's the most valuable.
The Artwork
So if I have one of these oh-so-exotic cards, why didn't I bother to scan it and put an image here so you can see it? Because Richard and Lily asked those of us with Proposals if we'd mind not publishing the image. It is rather personal, after all. Should you meet me in person one day, and I happen to have the card on me at the time, I'll be happy to show it to you then.
I have also since learned, to my amusement, that some people have seen a purported Proposal card published in a magazine, or auctioned on eBay, or whatnot. If you think you've see the image, I'll tell you this: both the real artwork and the bogus artwork that I've seen feature a man kneeling in vaguely Renaissance-like clothing. However, the bogus artwork has a huge poofy collar around the man's neck, whereas the real one does not. There's lots of other differences, but that's one that's really easy to spot.
sheep

Légende
le 22/01/2009 21:49
Citation :
Pour ceux qui lise l'anglais, voila l'histoire de proposal, par son "papa" ;-))


Le papa en question étant Dave Howell, 'Production manager' chez wizards à l'époque.
sib51
MONTBELIARD, France
sheep
le 22/01/2009 21:51
Merci pour la precision, j'avais oublié ^_^
shai
merci pour ces détails
le 23/01/2009 19:00
nt
ZeSword
Bruxelles, Belgique

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Sympa
le 02/08/2011 17:46
Je ne connaissais pas l'histoire, que je viens de découvrir à l'instant. C'est tout mignon !
pyrovoice
le 02/08/2011 20:46
joli necropost, je connaissais pas non plus
Darkent

hum
le 02/08/2011 21:27
c'est pourquoi le scan viend d'etre accepté sur MV
Darkent

le 02/08/2011 21:30
Citation :
c'est pourquoi le scan viend d'etre accepté sur MV


ou je ne sais quand

Légende
juste...
le 02/08/2011 21:49
Ceux qui ont vu l'image, ce sont des potes de Matignon ?
angelicrenewal
quelque part

le 04/08/2011 10:45
cute <3
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